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Posted - 2016.06.28 16:12:44 -
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I don't even have words to describe how terrible this release is. |
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Posted - 2016.06.29 15:50:18 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Kremlath wrote:1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex' I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options. A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback. It's the accessibility team you need to have involved in this. I don't know how much more clearly this can be said without insulting somebody. |
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Posted - 2016.06.29 16:50:56 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you So "Please publicly describe your disability to me so I can see if I am willing to accommodate it".
And you wonder why our response is "get some sensitivity training"?
I suggest you take a deep breath, let the the idea that you may be on the wrong side of the argument enter your mind, then come back with an apology. |
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Posted - 2016.06.29 19:34:17 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:When people ask for a toggle to turn a feature off, usually they are really saying they'd like the feature removed entirely but think that an option toggle is a more reasonable request. Our focus, though, is usually on trying to make something new like the docking animation a positive for more people.
That's why I asked for posters who might say "Add a switch!" or "Take it out!" to instead explain what they don't like about it. Maybe it could be different in some way that wouldn't make you feel that way but doesn't take us back to a black screen or a loading bar for these session changes, and it helps if you offer us thoughts that can help us get there.
Of course, taking it out, or even adding a switch, are always last-resort options, but they're just something we prefer not to do if we think we can find a better spot for the feature that more players will appreciate. When I ask for you to "add a switch" it's the same as when I ask someone to add a wheelchair ramp. It may be because I'm a really difficult customer, but it's also because I'm concerned that wheelchair users will not overcome your treacherous doorway and spend money in your establishment. I am being demanding, for sure, but that's because not being demanding hasn't worked out that well for those of us that weren't born typical.
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Posted - 2016.06.30 03:51:13 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Kasimir Wulf wrote:Mesacc wrote:2005 player here. This will most likely be my last post since my subscription runs out in a day or 2. I cancelled 2 accounts after the removal of the old camera and will not be resubscribing until the new camera is brought up to the quality of the old one. Lack of custom tracking position and tracking camera snap speed along with zoom acceleration are my biggest issues and the fact that these are being ignored while you work on useless docking animations that are clearly hated by the player base does not make my returning look promising. I hope you get your priorities in order because I would love to play EVE for another 10 years. you do know that theres an option to customize it to the feel you want right? but i guess actually looking into the settings tabs to difficult of a task for you. cya you won't be missed. That's the funniest thing I've read all day. A slider that goes from Smooth to Stiff - Isn't really "customization" it simply speeds up or slows down 1 aspect of an otherwise not very user friendly camera. It's the same as the UI customization features that allow you to choose between a "selection" of color schemes that were all decided upon by someone else.
Chances are, the UI/art department doesn't have the cross section of disabilities needed for them to personally understand all the accessibility issues others will have. So that's why it's important for them to proactively learn about such things and take them into consideration so that people like me don't have to harp on for ages about how you're making your game unplayable to us.
Unfortunately when so many of us told them that the new UI was making the game very difficult for us to play, they just responded by telling us how typical people handle their UI and disregarded the fact that a substantial portion of the people complaining where not typical and as such their responses were both insulting, inappropriate and unhelpful.
And here we are again. |
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Posted - 2016.06.30 09:08:34 -
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Sergey Hawk wrote:We all just need to cancel our subscriptions. We can easily renew our subscriptions when the most game issues will be fixed. What do we lose? Most of us still can not normally play EVE. I suspect we would lose both our voice and our self respect.
Sorry, but I'm too old to roll over in the face of prejudice. |
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Posted - 2016.06.30 15:14:29 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:CCP Turtlepower wrote:Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:why do I see Mining amount and single Bounty rewards on screen .. even with all notifications and log an messages turned off? We added a toggle for these messages in today's patch. o7 CCP Turtlepower Great! Now when is there going to be a toggle for the docking animation? This.
It really would be a great help to those of us that are struggling right now to know that relief is on the way. |
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Posted - 2016.06.30 16:00:29 -
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If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.
I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former. |
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Posted - 2016.06.30 16:28:36 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.
I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former. I have the PLEX ready. |
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Posted - 2016.06.30 16:43:39 -
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Makareena wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.
I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former. I have the PLEX ready. If your smartphone was ok for 3 months, and the manufacturer would release a patch to it that makes it crap, or makes it look bad in comparison to the newer one (iphone tactic)... Would you pay them ADDITIONAL money to make it work good AGAIN ? You might not, but that's because you're not used to having to pay extra to cover your disabilities. It's often just the way things get done. |
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Posted - 2016.07.01 00:48:01 -
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v3locity wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.
I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former. So you want to pay them to not be stupid. Good luck with that one. It's not really like that.
Take this quote as an example of the issues:
CCP Darwin wrote:When people ask for a toggle to turn a feature off, usually they are really saying they'd like the feature removed entirely but think that an option toggle is a more reasonable request. Our focus, though, is usually on trying to make something new like the docking animation a positive for more people.
That's why I asked for posters who might say "Add a switch!" or "Take it out!" to instead explain what they don't like about it. Maybe it could be different in some way that wouldn't make you feel that way but doesn't take us back to a black screen or a loading bar for these session changes, and it helps if you offer us thoughts that can help us get there.
Of course, taking it out, or even adding a switch, are always last-resort options, but they're just something we prefer not to do if we think we can find a better spot for the feature that more players will appreciate. So if you pick out:
1. When people ask for a toggle they are usually really asking for something else. 2. Our focus would be to offer them something else instead of what they are specifically asking for. 3. People asking for toggles are required to commit to further communication with us to be successful in persuading us. 4. Adding toggles is always a last resort.
You see how we end up with the situation we are in?
If you think offering 200 PLEX in order to bring about positive change is a negative, fine. That's a perfectly reasonable point of view and a perfectly reasonable response to what is obviously extreme behavior on my part.
I've given more than enough feedback to CCP in over a decade of playing. But I've watched the playable parts of EVE shrink around me in spite of my feedback. Those unaffected don't need to have their game curtailed by my issues. We don't require lots of development time spent on a new flashy thing that equally will not meet our needs. We just need a toggle so that those that have problems can be free of those problems while those that do not can enjoy the eye candy. |
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Posted - 2016.07.01 07:09:01 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:Instead of just reading posts in feedback threads, I think CCP should include a poll as well. People who enjoy a feature (or at least tolerate it) are less likely to spend time typing a post, but they're more likely to just click "yes" since it costs less time. What do you think the response to the poll asking if the players like the new polling system would be? |
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Posted - 2016.07.01 08:11:31 -
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Kremlath wrote:I'm worried about the possibility of CCP deluding themselves into thinking that there is some 'silent majority' that is happy with the changes. You cannot assume that the responses on this forum are representative of the playerbase as a whole. It doesn't work that way. |
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Posted - 2016.07.01 08:41:36 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:So CCP create two feedback thread, one during the tests, one at the release, and then they don't take it into account because "it's not representative" ? Then what is the point to ask feedback at all ? It's representative when the feedback is positive, and it's not when the feedback is negative ?
Dictature : shut up ! Democracy : speak as much as you like, we don't care what you think or want. The feedback is very important and very informative, it's just not representative.
You cannot assume that because 50/100 posts say one thing that 50/100 players believe that thing.
But if one player tells you something about his experience on the forum, that's a data point. You can use that.
The problem is there is a lot of data and not that many people who are natural sifters. |
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Posted - 2016.07.01 10:16:03 -
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Yep, that's what I'm talking about. |
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Posted - 2016.07.05 06:41:35 -
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I'm really looking forward to the toggle hitting TQ!
Thanks for making that happen, it really means a lot to me.
However, it must be said I've grown very fond of the Captain's Quarters in the few days I've been forced to use it! I expect that while I will see the benefit of the proposed changes, I will probably not be going back to using the station interior. I think I should probably detail why...
I do a fair bit of trading with one character permanently docked in Jita 4-4 and a second character permanently docked in an "offshoring" Citadel 1 jump away. I have a 7 screen system for my PC of which 3 screens are arranged in an arc directly in front of me and perform as my main display. When I am trading the rightmost screen will have my Jita 4-4 trader, the leftmost screen will have my Citadel trader and the middle screen is used for whatever it is that I'm doing other than trading (i.e. forums, internet, whatever).
Because I'm autistic, bright lights (or indeed any sensory information) can make me uncomfortable and agitated, the room I sit in is softly lit and all my OS backgrounds and windows are all set to be dark colours (black or grey) with clearly visible contrasting edges and buttons. This means I can easily operate the OS UI because everything that needs to be seen can be seen but it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable just to look at. The EVE UI does not have these kind of configuration options and therefore I've had to compromise, so I don't find the UI uncomfortable (when set to Dark Matter) but I have a hard time seeing the edges of windows and fields because of the lack of contrast and the thin window edges.
When I look at my two trading screens with windows minimised, the CQ screen is calming and serene. The only movement that isn't trivial to put out of frame is the occasional fidgeting of my Avatar and that doesn't really bother me. The big screen, the coffee table widgets and the hanger door are the only obvious sources of light and movement and they are all easy to move out of frame if I need to.
When I look at the the Citadel station interior, there are two massive billboards and the nature of the content displayed on them means that there is a lot of flashing, bright lights and movement (the CQ screen is much gentler, although it still likes to constantly flash at you). There are also a lot of flashing lights, bright lights and moving lights in pretty much every direction, so there is no pleasant place to rest the camera, the best compromise I've found is to look directly downwards but then you get the flashing lights coming up the tube beneath your ship/pod. This issue is made considerably worse by the fact that I don't have exclusive use of the camera when docked.
Now as far as I have been able to establish, these particular features that I find unpleasant cannot be deactivated. There were many other features that I also found unpleasant but they were easy to switch off or configure so that they no longer cause any problem (i.e. sound). So my method of making my trading gameplay tolerable, is to arrange windows across both of my screens so that the station interior is covered by them. This works well on the CQ screen but isn't totally essential due to the relatively pleasant CQ environment. But this doesn't fully work on the Citadel station interior because the lights are everywhere, they move around and the way the UI handles snapping means there are generally gaps between windows which allow these flashing lights to be both visible and distracting.
I know my complaints probably represent only a single digit percentage of the EVE playerbase, so I don't really expect much to be done to accommodate us. All I really ask is that you don't make life unnecessarily hard for me and people like me and you consider putting toggles in for graphical features like these before you have to be dragged kicking and screaming through 27 pages of predictable feedback.
Thanks again for the incoming toggle!
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Posted - 2016.07.05 11:36:53 -
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cyberdeath118 wrote:anyone noticed that CCP is making EVE more and more pay to win? EVE has always been play to win to the extent that it has always been possible to gain an advantage by spending more RL currency on the game than another player. That hasn't really changed. All that has happened is that CCP have made it easier to pay and shifts in the gaming marketplace have lead to players being more willing to pay.
cyberdeath118 wrote:They also gain skills just for buying PLEX so they now have as many skill points as veteran players who have earned things the hard way ...and have then sold those skillpoints on to the next generation.
The new players could do this before with PLEX, adding injectors did not introduce this. The big difference now is that when a new player buys 100m SP from the market, a veteran did not have to give up his whole character to make that happen. It's the same dynamic as before though, whenever a new player chooses to "pay to win" he does so by giving cash to CCP and circulating isk in-game that often ends up in a veteran player's wallet.
cyberdeath118 wrote:One of the things I used to love about EVE is that you could not simply be an unemployed looser on the welfare system and become super good at it compared to veteran players I have often chosen to fly alongside those loosers on welfare that have become super good and beaten all the veterans, so I disagree.
cyberdeath118 wrote:I would like to see EVE reward the older loyal players (in a meaningful way) for staying with the game Now that I'm in 100% agreement with. Where is that 10 year veteran lounge? Where are those account birthday gifts?
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Posted - 2016.07.05 12:06:36 -
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TQ is back up and the docking animation is gone!
(If you untick "Dynamic Camera Movement" in Display & Graphics settings) |
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Posted - 2016.07.05 15:36:49 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Any chance the toggle can be applied to the Jump animation? It probably will not be in the first implementation of this option. We've heard the feedback about including it though. Can't promise anything right now. The first implementation is already on TQ, so I'm pretty certain that the Jump animation will not be removed by it. |
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Posted - 2016.07.06 02:15:39 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Joia Crenca wrote:Ageanal Olerie wrote:No, it's exactly what YOU needed. Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles. One step at a time, though. At least they didn't utterly ignore players. But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles. They pretty much did really. Players asked for a single toggle for the new unpopular animations. Devs answer to that was a group toggle which also turns off animations/options that either already had a toggle or weren't considered an issue. While still not touching on basic camera things players have been requesting for months. The K.I.S.S approach works wonders when properly implemented. One extra toggle to give a single option that was requested by players OR a group toggle no-one asked for to take away more player options. I'd love to have the same degree of configuration in the graphics and UI settings as we have in the sound settings. But that isn't going to happen overnight. We've already witnessed CCP do a massive "about turn" in this thread and visibly reconsider their attitude to the feedback previously given on this and related subjects going back some years. None of that changes the harsh economic realities of reworking lots of code, redirecting the course of EVE online development and delivering that to their players without accidentally causing everyone to rage at them. |
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